MoeZen: The image ISS036-E-16046 seems to have a wrong camera time in original metadata, a problem that occasionally occurs. But the image was subsequently cataloged (http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=ISS036&roll=E&frame=16046&QueryResultsFile=140908989470682.tsv ) and shows up as Memphis, TN airport. Sorry you had a bad experience with this frame!
CMDRSHEPARD: -- It certainly would be helpful to recreate the previous settings only ONE click away -- "do what I just did on the next image" button seems like just the kind of solution that a computer should be able to solve. We'll look into it. -- recurring to the last pick page looked at ought also to be doable.
Suggestion. Since the objective is to catalog the million+ photos it would make sense to completely separate the locating of the image and the annotating of the features visible. I like finding the locations of each image but don't feel qualified to be annotating the geological features that are present. Perhaps two different steps (zones) can be offered for earning points. Let some people find the locations, center points, zoom, rotate, etc. while others could simply be asked to annotate the features of the pictures given the locations. I think there are many people who might offer their time annotating who are not as good at searching. (Find once, annotate many.) Once a location is found it should be grayed for everyone. No sense wasting time having everyone find the same location. All detectives would be encouraged to annotate features. I believe today if a person enters features observed without a good location it may be confusing to the validation team. Only add features to "found" locations. Separate "Pick Lists", one for those needing locating, and a different "Pick List" for annotating. (Just some thoughts.) (Having fun finding these images.)
Would it be possible to have a button that would let us give-up on a photo? For lack of a better term, it could be called the "Uncle" button. Maybe by saying "uncle" the point value could be increased and the photo could either be passed to another user, or put in a public queue where any user would have to chance to identify the location. Photo ISSO36-E-16046 drove me nuts for, sadly, about 4 hours (cumulatively over a few days). I don't give-up on puzzles, but even grid-type searches, of a very large area, didn't work. Now I'm curious!
I don't know if it would be difficult to implement, but it would make things more efficient if there were some optional button to press after submitting an image that would:
1) keep the Google map zoomed in to its current location 2) pull up the next available image.
Bonus points if it would also rotate and zoom the next image to the same degree as the previous (submitted) one.
Astronauts seem to like to snap several images of the same thing in quick succession and it would save a lot of clicking. Currently after submitting an image I choose pick image-> click to the page containing the image I want (say it's page 5) -> click the image -> hide the image -> zoom the map and scroll to the correct location -> show the image -> click the rotate button several times -> resize the image -> choose cloud cover -> type features -> click submit. That's probably 20+ clicks for an image that is nearly identical to the last one.
This would also make my results more standardized. For example, we currently have about 12 images of Greece that are nearly the same. Because they were taken at an angle, they were pretty foreshortened. I had difficulty knowing how much to zoom and rotate because of distortion so the amount of each I did was probably wildly variable between images.
Barring a magic "do what I just did on the next image" button, it would make things easier to be able to type in the amount of rotation we want. If I know I rotated the last image 117 degrees it would save me a few clicks to just enter that number for the next image. Otherwise I need to click +45 +45 +45 (change to 5s) -5 -5 -5 (change to 1s) -1 -1 -1.
A way to enter which of the 5 pages of images we want would also be appreciated. Or have the pick image screen popup to the last page we chose from instead of automatically returning to the first page. Or have the pick image page arrows wrap around so we can get to page 5 from page 1 by clicking the left arrow instead of clicking right arrow 4x.
It's not a huge deal if these things can't be implemented (it's not like we're on production pay or anything), but when faced with 10 or more nearly identical images, it's a little discouraging knowing you'll have to start at zero for each one (200+ clicks). I think people who don't have much time to spare or who are more casual would be put off from starting a bunch of pictures of the same thing or would start them but get bored and quit in the middle.
The Pick List is updated once the images have been identified and submitted for approval by any user. Once the images are identified, new images come in to replace the existing images.
As for seeing the same images in the Pick List: it is very likely that you did not improperly locate the image. We typically have access to review new imagery that our Image Detectives submit the day after you submit them. Therefore, in the mean time, they may show up in your Pick List until we have had the chance to approve them. We have recently been notified of an issue that images a user has already identified do not show up as "grayed out", or unavailable to re-identify. That issue is currently being fixed.
Thank you for all of your feedback. We will plan on creating a PDF version of the tutorial so users may have that asset as well.
How about adding a way for users to "opt in" to show their email addresses. Or make a true forum board, where registered users can post and respond to other users. I could see this becoming like other forum boards.
I found my way here a few days ago from the CNN article and am really enjoying seeing all of the amazing photos. Can you tell me how often the available images are changed? Is it done for each detective or are they generally available for a set period or until a certain number of people have identified them? The first couple of days it seemed like they turned over daily, but now I feel I'm seeing many I've already completed. I'm not sure if they're still available to me because I didn't do them properly the first time and I should do them again or if I should wait for new ones to appear.
Thanks for making an easy to use interface. The tutorial was a good length (not too long) and straightforward. For some reason I was expecting narration but it's not necessary. A downloadable PDF might be used by some.
You might want to add a tip sheet on how to approach foreshortened images. I find it hard to decide how much to zoom.
It would be nice if you put a post (maybe in the General topic, or in a FAQ topic) that explained what happens to these images once we submit them. It would be interesting to know the remainder of the process that goes on and where they end up.
It would be nice if, when I start a new session, the images that I've submitted in previous sessions are not presented to me on the "Pick an Image" pages. For example, today, when I logged in, about 4 of the 5 pages contained images that I'd submitted yesterday (or the day before), and only about 10 new images.
It would be nice, on the 5 "Pick an Image" pages, if the text for images I've already submitted stayed "grayed out" for my entire session. At present, when I submit images, the text stays grayed out for a while, but then goes back to white. Bottom line: The text color (gray or white) is not a reliable indication of whether I've submitted the image already, or not. So I must keep track separately.
I believe having the ability to see your own score is important. Frankly, I have submitted several items and have not been able to find myself on the score chart. How do I know my submissions are counting for something?
geoDude55: Another good suggestion, but one that might require a little more work and take some time to implement. We will certainly look into it as an alternative, as it does sound very user-friendly.
geoDude55: Thank you for your feedback! We have added the sun azimuth angle to Image Detective for user convenience. This angle is the clockwise angle in degrees from north to the sun, and as geoDude55 mentioned, this should aid in rotating the astronaut image when locating the center point.
geo-positioning the pictures can become easier: let us mark 2 far apart points on the picture, and their corresponding points on the map. Render the picture joining the corresponding points. Extra enhancement: adjust the projection of the map according to the point of view of the spacecraft. Google Earth can do that. Regards, GeoDude55
One suggestion I would have, is to have your "points" visible on what you've earned up to this point. Unless I'm missing it, the only place I can see that you'd find it, is by searching thru a long list of other "detectives" to see where you might be in the list. Just would be nice to see it on the actual Image Detective Screen while you're searching for the next image. :)
Please add to the photograph info the direction of the sun in degrees relative to north and zenith (degrees N/S and E/W relative to zenith is also possible). I just saw clear shadows on a "difficult" to spot picture of mountains. With the direction of the sun, I can rotate the picture to fit the shadows with the direction of the sun.I guess you NASA girls and guys don't have to be told, that the sundirection can be calculated from the date and time the photograph was taken and the spacecraft suborbital point. Regards.
I think it would be interesting to pick or submit a request for our own selected images that we want to locate from the uncatalogued images on the Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth website. Does anyone else think they would like to be able to pick some images for themselves to locate?
To add content, log in to the Image Detective system after your detective name has been approved.